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Ol' John...Disregard that last transmission....Ol' Dummy found what he was looking for.
 
INTERESTING!

John, that all makes good sense to me. When you say "VG cartridge for the short action Rem's and others", are you refereing to a "true" short action of .308 size, or short being other than magnum?
What is your trim to length on the cartridge case? What is the water capacity of the case?...........Geez, ain't I nosey? Actually, just interested. It is more one of those, "why didn't I think of that" deals.

Hondo John...I do like your insight on all the reasons a person should get another rifle.
 
You mentioned...... "Since Paul and I designed together the 338x57 MAI and it was my first foray into a caliber above .30 I had .338 bullets on hand and 30-06 brass is cheap and readily available.............".
 
Perhaps you could elaborate just a bit on this cartridge. You may want to start a new string, (I'm not sure of protocol on the forum) I hear of several shooters here in the Northwest that have found favor with the 338-08, and I suspect the 57 case would be a dandy too....but I'm only guessing.

"Ol' John"....I think your comments are right on.
 
I have quite often had an "internal" debate on the regular 338-06 vs the older .35 Whelen. In a moment of weakness I gave in to the .35 Whelen, not that I regret the decision, but just what would a man do with two cartridges so similar?
I'm sure there's justification somewhere...perhaps if, and that's a mighty big if, "if" I were now to go to the AI version it might make more sense...or does it?
The 338-06 is a mighty fine cartridge, a poor man's magnum in spades if there was ever one. The 338-06AI should just be that much more of a "gooder" thang IMHO. Anyone care to help me talk me into this?
 
Shucks, I just dunno......but I do like it.
As a matter of fact, I've met darn few cartridges I didn't like, just some more than others. I'm sure most of you understand this, and have learned to deal with it.

22Hornet had an interesting observation, IMO

I have never owned a AI in anything,  so I am talking from hearsay,  however it has always been my understanding that the additional step of fire-forming was not necessary, and may even be considered the beauty of owning an AI....you simply load and fire a standard round and the firing process set the brass for the next AI reload, all done without notable loss of accuracy from a factory round.

Anyway, my own 35 Whelen has been delegated the task of shooting nothing but cast bullets, namely the Lyman 358009, a 282gr w/gas check at 2,250fps.

I also see where you can gain a significant increase in velocity by using the AI...
(IMO, 150 or so fps is to be considered significant, coming from a 30-06 case.)

Which begs the question of why is there not more AI chambers? Is there something proprietary about factory's doing this when the gun is built?

I also believe the Brown / Whelen has a similar shoulder to the AI, along with similar ballistics, however it appears to have fallen from grace amongst Whelen shooters.
Which leads me to believe there could well be a bit more to this than just an increase in velocity.
Perhaps someone could expound on this a bit.


Russ...

Anyway, PM your addy to me, and I'll send you another 10 cases of .280. I've had 'em for 20 years, and done absolutely nothing with them. I'd like to see them go to good use.

Thanks Paul!

Mighty fine gesture on your part but it would hardly be worth the effort and expense on your part, or mine either for that matter.

I agree that case separation is not the end of the world, however it is always cause for concern IMHO.

I have, in all likelihood, right about 175+ cases with the Rem. 280 Headstamp, and a couple of boxes of the old 7mm Express Headstamp....plus another 200 of the aforementioned .270 that I hope to turn into .280 once I actually do it, and quit just talking about it.

Thanks again for both the information, and the nice offer.

Respectfully, Russ..

Thanks, Paul
What you said is pretty much the way my own thoughts were running, but this nagging thing about case separation kept creeping in, over-riding any real rational thought processes.

I think most of us have experienced the fact that "Doom & Gloom" seems to always creep into ones thoughts when safety is concerned....at the same time Common Sense suddenly seems not so common at all, and we find ourselves looking for support.

Thanks again for the very knowledgeable reply.

Russ...

I have been trying to find something here regarding converting .270 brass to .280 but I can not find a thing. (I may not be using the "Search" feature properly...I dunno. I do know that I am almost blind from looking through different threads trying to find this again.)

Anyway, it seems that a few years back, this same discussion took place right here on this forum, but I didn't pay much attention at the time because it didn't affect me, now all that suddenly changed.
A friend gave me 200 rounds of once fired .270 brass that someone gave him a couple of years back....somehow thinking it was .280 he asked me if I needed it since he had sold his .280... of course I said yes...

At first, I thought all I would have to do is run it through a full length sizing die, but after looking at it a little closer something bothers me.

All along I was thinking the case was just a bit longer to prevent chambering in a .280 in a .270, now I see the shoulder is actually about .005 longer on the .280....do I need to fire-form these after sizing, or will a trip through a full length die be sufficient???

Don't know why this is bugging me so bad, but it sure is....Any help appreciated.

Thanks,

Russ...

This has been a very interesting string.
Before the "information age" of computers we were somewhat forced to read what was thrown at us by the gun scribes trying to make a living in a very competitive world.
Marketing, and the "selling" of anything that was hot, new, different, or unbelievable meant extra money in the jeans, and even journalist have to eat.

Some wrote stories that held ones interests for hours on end...the kind you go back and read over SEVERAL times just to soak it all up... while many others were obivously just trying to eat, and felt lucky to get a chance to have anything published.....unfortunately, we were stuck with both, quite often in the same magazine we had just shelled out our own hard earned nickles for.

My own favorite writer of the times (the late Finn Aagard) seemed to present things in a perspective that I understood, and agreed with, just a wee bit more than that presented by other writers....especially on bullet performance.

Mr.Aagard said, quite often, that he was influenced more by Jack O'conner than any other writer. In my mind they were miles apart, even though I enjoyed Jack O'Conner, Aagard didn't compare EVERYTHING to the .270.

Many of the older gun writers will be sorely missed, and yet we have to wonder if they too would have fallen into the deliema that present day writers are faced with...which goes something like, "say it my way or don't say it, it must be product positive!".

[Heck, we should get together; I'm just down the road in Olympia.]

Heck, we should get together; I'm just down the road in Olympia.

You're right David, We should get together for a cup 'o Joe sometime. I will send you a pm when I get back, and we'll try to set something up.

Does anyone feel that a Back Action might "weaken" the wrist area in any way for heavier calibers?

What was the era of the Back Action? I know they became very popular with the percussion cap, and lasted well into the 1900's......how about before 1800?

I am thinking a .62 cal, oct to round, 36" smoothbore, with a Back Action may well be my next rifle gun.....just a thought. But, the more I think about, the more appeal seems to gather.

[Where on the Olympic Peninsula are you located; the Wynochee Valley?]

Where on the Olympic Peninsula are you located; the Wynochee Valley?

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No sir, I am 16 miles out of Shelton, at Timberlakes.....still in Mason county.

Unknown_one, Welcome to the forum.
 

Are there many turkies in western washington?

In answer to the above question, I have had to "run 'em off" a couple of times this spring. It seems I have a real small mushroom that sometimes grows in early spring, on the woods side of the back yard, that the Turkey are particullary found of....I don't mind them cleaning up the mushrooms, but I hate their nosie, and their mess.
 
I am told by the Fish & Wildlife folks that we do in fact have three species of Turkey on the Peninsula now, and they are doing fine. I have seen this small flock go from about 12 / 14 birds, three years ago, to about 20 this spring. (One of the hens seems to have a band on her leg.)  It also seems they are doing okay.

I have wondered for some time what advantage, if any, a back action lock offers.
 
I like the looks of a back action. In my eyes they are more graceful, and appear to be somwhat less obtrusive, but I'm not sure about that last part, as I have never owned one or even handeled one.
 
I would like to hear a few comments from anyone with any knowledge of these locks. Perhaps Jay has some thoughts on this?
 
Thanks.

I'm stuck between the Swede and the 7mm Mauser.

IMHO, That is a wonderful place to be "stuck".....it's is one of those choices where, "ya just can't go wrong".
 
That old 7x57 and the 6.5 Swede just keeps knocking 'em out with very little fan fare anymore. It seems those who appreciated them most are no longer with us, and there is just to much "new stuff" for the scribes nowadays to try to make a living by writing about the old timers.
 
Remington tried to reinvent the wheel by introducing the .260, and the 7-08 by using higher pressures for both cartridges....However, neither of the old fellers was broke, and certainly didn't need fixing.
They are both still alive and kicking...although that "kick" is hardly noticeable in both sales......and recoil.