I figured I might as well get this started now as I have some stuff to report before we even leave.
My youngest daughter and I are traveling to sakorick's to hunt whitetail deer. It'll be a first for her. In prep for that hunt, we had to pick a rifle for her to take, and get it, and her, ready. Turns out, her husband has a Bergara chambered in 6.5 Creedmore. I think many of you know how I feel about that cartridge, BUT... this rifle ticked an important box: 'friendly' recoil. Also, my son-in-law said it shot very straight.
It's kind of a 'bench' gun, weighing in, with the Vortex scope, at about 11.5 pounds. However, we'll be shooting from a blind, so she won't have to carry it far, and it will be on a rest when/if she shoots. The weight of course helps mitigate recoil, and the recoil from this cartridge is very mild anyway.
But there's always some hang-up, and this time is no exception. The only ammo my son-in-law had was Hornady "match" in 140-grain. Not being personally familiar with the cartridge, and not familiar with Hornady's match ammo, I wasn't comfortable with using it for hunting. (That said, I was pretty sure it would be 'fine'; most "match" ammo IS fine for hunting, but...) I bought some reloading dies so I could load some "hunting" ammo. Trouble was, I couldn't find any bullets. I wanted Accubond 140s. (There's a saga associated with getting those bullets, more lying bullet sellers. :frown) I called Rick and he said he had some, so I tentatively planned to take the dies to Missouri and reload some there. However, my son-in-law works in a knife store, and someone came in with some 6.5 Creedmore Nosler factory 140s. He bought two boxes.
In the mean time, I found a video on YouTube comparing the match 140s to the hunting 140s, complete with ballistic gel penetration tests. (It's a good watch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm8wAXkVaxU) As I figured, there was no material difference between the match and hunting versions. Turned out, there was no difference at the range either. :D
Yesterday, the three of us went to the range to 1) make sure the rifle was sighted in for Caitlin, 2) get her at least somewhat familiar with shooting it, and 3) compare the point-of-impact differences between the Hornady match ammo and the Nosler hunting (Ballistic Tip) ammo. It was a successful day at the range, on several levels.
I had decided that we would use the match ammo to get on paper and get the scope dialed in for Caitlin. Once that was accomplished, we'd shoot the precious, (because of scarcity, and no ability to get any more before the hunt), hunting ammo to see if they shot to the same point of impact with the same point of aim. They did. And then some!
Sean thought the rifle was sighted in, so we started at 100 yard's, but it wasn't. After wasting a few rounds, I had them bring the target into 35 yards, and I bore-sighted it. When it was on paper, we moved back out to 100 yd. Caitlin shot three rounds for group and sight-in.
That's a nice group for 1) factory ammo, and 2) "unknown" rifle with 'new' ammo! Max spread is 0.85", windage max spread is 0.54" and elevation max spread is 0.84". That's good!
As you can see, the center of the group is a little left of point-of-aim (PoA), so I adjusted the scope and Caitlin shot three more.
Again, that's GOOD! Check out 'the numbers'. They're almost identical to the first three shots. Max spread - 0.84"; max windage spread - 0.50"; max elevation spread - 0.77". That's 6 shots at much less than MoA WITH FACTORY AMMO from a 'strange' rifle. Gotta tell ya... I'm impressed with both the rifle and the ammo! There are more pleasant surprises to come.
Sean shoots next. The last four match rounds.
Check out the numbers! Max spread - 0.87"; max windage - 0.64"; max elevation spread - 0.77. Darn near identical to Caitlin's groups! Now that's surprising!
At that point, I wanted Caitlin to try the Nosler Ballistic Tips to see where they shot relative to the Hornady match bullets. Look at this!
The one high and right was called by Caitlin; she said she 'pulled it'. Also, including the flier, that's FIVE shots. The lowest hole is actually for two bullets. Look at the numbers (without the flier): Max spread - 0.79": max windage spread - 0.45"; max elevation spread - 0.65". AND, STILL CENTERED! Honestly, I'm slack-jawed. I've never seen anything like this. Two different manufactures of ammo, one "hunting", one "match". Both hit to the same PoI AND have the SAME GROUP SIZES.
I'm impressed! First with the Bergara, and second with the ammo! It's enough to make me give up reloading! (Not really. ) MAN!
The extra good news is that Caitlin is fully confident in her ability to hit what she aims at with that rifle. And... we still have a full box plus 15 of the Nosler Ballistic Tips. :grin:
Of course I had to combine all the shots into one 'digital' target, and especially since the groups between Caitlin and Sean were so similar. Here's the digital target of all of the shots except the one flier.
Nice, huh! Here are the numbers: Max spread - 1.07"; max windage spread - 0.68"; max elevation spread - 0.99". Even with combining two shooters, two manufacturers of the ammo, and two types of ammo, It's STILL MoA over 14 rounds! That, to me, is impressive!
Sean shooting, me spotting.
The whole target.
Paul
My youngest daughter and I are traveling to sakorick's to hunt whitetail deer. It'll be a first for her. In prep for that hunt, we had to pick a rifle for her to take, and get it, and her, ready. Turns out, her husband has a Bergara chambered in 6.5 Creedmore. I think many of you know how I feel about that cartridge, BUT... this rifle ticked an important box: 'friendly' recoil. Also, my son-in-law said it shot very straight.
It's kind of a 'bench' gun, weighing in, with the Vortex scope, at about 11.5 pounds. However, we'll be shooting from a blind, so she won't have to carry it far, and it will be on a rest when/if she shoots. The weight of course helps mitigate recoil, and the recoil from this cartridge is very mild anyway.
But there's always some hang-up, and this time is no exception. The only ammo my son-in-law had was Hornady "match" in 140-grain. Not being personally familiar with the cartridge, and not familiar with Hornady's match ammo, I wasn't comfortable with using it for hunting. (That said, I was pretty sure it would be 'fine'; most "match" ammo IS fine for hunting, but...) I bought some reloading dies so I could load some "hunting" ammo. Trouble was, I couldn't find any bullets. I wanted Accubond 140s. (There's a saga associated with getting those bullets, more lying bullet sellers. :frown) I called Rick and he said he had some, so I tentatively planned to take the dies to Missouri and reload some there. However, my son-in-law works in a knife store, and someone came in with some 6.5 Creedmore Nosler factory 140s. He bought two boxes.
In the mean time, I found a video on YouTube comparing the match 140s to the hunting 140s, complete with ballistic gel penetration tests. (It's a good watch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm8wAXkVaxU) As I figured, there was no material difference between the match and hunting versions. Turned out, there was no difference at the range either. :D
Yesterday, the three of us went to the range to 1) make sure the rifle was sighted in for Caitlin, 2) get her at least somewhat familiar with shooting it, and 3) compare the point-of-impact differences between the Hornady match ammo and the Nosler hunting (Ballistic Tip) ammo. It was a successful day at the range, on several levels.
I had decided that we would use the match ammo to get on paper and get the scope dialed in for Caitlin. Once that was accomplished, we'd shoot the precious, (because of scarcity, and no ability to get any more before the hunt), hunting ammo to see if they shot to the same point of impact with the same point of aim. They did. And then some!
Sean thought the rifle was sighted in, so we started at 100 yard's, but it wasn't. After wasting a few rounds, I had them bring the target into 35 yards, and I bore-sighted it. When it was on paper, we moved back out to 100 yd. Caitlin shot three rounds for group and sight-in.
That's a nice group for 1) factory ammo, and 2) "unknown" rifle with 'new' ammo! Max spread is 0.85", windage max spread is 0.54" and elevation max spread is 0.84". That's good!
As you can see, the center of the group is a little left of point-of-aim (PoA), so I adjusted the scope and Caitlin shot three more.
Again, that's GOOD! Check out 'the numbers'. They're almost identical to the first three shots. Max spread - 0.84"; max windage spread - 0.50"; max elevation spread - 0.77". That's 6 shots at much less than MoA WITH FACTORY AMMO from a 'strange' rifle. Gotta tell ya... I'm impressed with both the rifle and the ammo! There are more pleasant surprises to come.
Sean shoots next. The last four match rounds.
Check out the numbers! Max spread - 0.87"; max windage - 0.64"; max elevation spread - 0.77. Darn near identical to Caitlin's groups! Now that's surprising!
At that point, I wanted Caitlin to try the Nosler Ballistic Tips to see where they shot relative to the Hornady match bullets. Look at this!
The one high and right was called by Caitlin; she said she 'pulled it'. Also, including the flier, that's FIVE shots. The lowest hole is actually for two bullets. Look at the numbers (without the flier): Max spread - 0.79": max windage spread - 0.45"; max elevation spread - 0.65". AND, STILL CENTERED! Honestly, I'm slack-jawed. I've never seen anything like this. Two different manufactures of ammo, one "hunting", one "match". Both hit to the same PoI AND have the SAME GROUP SIZES.
I'm impressed! First with the Bergara, and second with the ammo! It's enough to make me give up reloading! (Not really. ) MAN!
The extra good news is that Caitlin is fully confident in her ability to hit what she aims at with that rifle. And... we still have a full box plus 15 of the Nosler Ballistic Tips. :grin:
Of course I had to combine all the shots into one 'digital' target, and especially since the groups between Caitlin and Sean were so similar. Here's the digital target of all of the shots except the one flier.
Nice, huh! Here are the numbers: Max spread - 1.07"; max windage spread - 0.68"; max elevation spread - 0.99". Even with combining two shooters, two manufacturers of the ammo, and two types of ammo, It's STILL MoA over 14 rounds! That, to me, is impressive!
Sean shooting, me spotting.
The whole target.
Paul