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farmboy · January 28, 2017, 08:10:08 AM

That does not surprise me about the Remington bullets being played they always looked a bit different. I have a thousand 55 grain 22 Cal bullets that look the same but dam do they shoot good three of my friends had them group better than anything they had ever loaded. Hornaday ballistic tip bullets that are twenty grains turn to dust as well when pushed hard I think Paul found that at about 4300 as well if I remember correctly.

JaDub · January 28, 2017, 10:56:10 AM

And it feeds the local foxes.

farmboy · January 29, 2017, 08:53:41 AM

I might try to find a few more critters today to try it out again.

Paul Hoskins · January 29, 2017, 09:09:17 AM

farmboy, the Rem. 22 caliber bullets may have plated on jackets too. These plated Rem. 17 calibers I have shoot better than I can any more. At 4300 fps they start coming apart at about 3 in 10. At 4500 fps the rate is closer to 7 out of ten. The results at 4500 fps is amazing if the bullet holds together long enough to hit the target. I managed to kill a chipmunk at around 80 yards & all I found was bits & pieces here & there. The only 17 Rem. I have now is on a BSA Martini action. I have never been able to get over 4200 fps with it using 25 gr. bullets. I put a 700 Rem. barrel on it. It's unbelievably accurate & consistent. :grin:.....Paul H

farmboy · January 30, 2017, 11:54:51 AM

I got another pigeon this morning I also missed one!

j0e_bl0ggs (deceased) · January 30, 2017, 11:18:58 PM

Have a fast twist barrel for the modern bullets (have been pulling the tips off of the hornady 25gn). I'm not sure to go completely 17Rem or a 17-223 seeing that the brass is more readily available, then again I do use formed 223 brass in the rifle. Gotta find a 17Rem reamer!

Paul Hoskins · January 31, 2017, 05:08:41 AM

Alain, the 223 is considerably longer in body than the 17 Rem. That should allow a bit more powder & velocity. Possibly not enough to matter much. Reforming the 223 milsurp case is considerably less expensive than buying 17 Rem. cases. The 223 cases are almost .100 " shorter than 17 Rem. cases. Best I remember I have a 17 Rem. finish reamer around here somewhere. ......Paul H

j0e_bl0ggs (deceased) · January 31, 2017, 06:22:49 AM

Paul, last time I looked at 17rem brass it was £60/100! ($75).
I have reformed 223 and 204 brass for the 17, you are correct that the 223 is a tad short, 204 ruger brass on the other hand is ok but getting difficult to find.
A 17-223 is a nice idea....'part from the price of the dies 17rem it is!

farmboy · January 31, 2017, 07:49:01 PM

You could always do gitano s 17 predator. Which I think is a improved 17-223.

gitano · January 31, 2017, 07:57:04 PM

That has been discussed. Having it to do again, I wouldn't. Too much trouble. The Predator was designed/conceived to use with "heavy", 30-grain bullets and keep them 'moving along' at 300+ yds. I don't particularly care for heavy-for-caliber bullets in general, and especially not in small calibers. That makes a problem with the Predator because it's difficult to get light-weight .17-caliber bullets going faster than 4500 f/s without them coming apart. The Predator's case capacity is capable of driving 25-grain bullets faster than they can hold together. Therefore, if I can't get them going faster than I can with the .17 Rem case, there's no need for the Predator's extra case capacity and associated hassles of a wildcat. The .17 Rem cartridge is about "optimal" case capacity for 25-grain and lighter bullets. My .17 Rem launches 25 grain bullets right at 4112 f/s. Kills the 'heck' out of everything it hits up to and including caribou at 150 yd.

Paul